Internet political discourse "dangerous"

last SG · 2006-04-04T01:55:16+00:00

If the government is going to make an example out of it, the information can be fed to the press and it will be page 1 news (just like the talk given by Dr B...

hisoka SG

i wont be apathetic lor. i would go tell him to shut the fark up and drive faster dun waste my time. especially when he stopped 5 times.........

LazerLordz SG

tell that to the rest of the ah peks sitting down. Rolling Eyes

oh he stopped the bus in the turning box along the junction of alexandra road and tanglin road some more. Mad

hisoka SG

you never complain him?

i can't stand those idiots who waste my time one.

everytime i see the bus i sitting go slow i always feel like complaining and taking photos bring to press etc. but then i think pple makign a living and being forced one so i dun do it only

LazerLordz SG

Ya know, it's ironic that they listed the websites and blogs. Typical of the 140th shooting itself in the foot everytime.

Guess those sites will have their ratings up in no time.It's free publicity, and once the population realises how well-reasoned those posts are, not to mention their rational logic... you can go and guess Laughing

LazerLordz SG

The tongue-lashing was after this particular stopping incident. Embarassed

will4 SG

I think u should complain to the bus company.

LazerLordz SG

Count himself lucky. The lady was threatening a police report already.

He might have been unemployed now. Laughing

TooFree SG

I have manage to envision a utopia political debating outlet for country that are uniquely in nature, such as multi-racial or religions. It encompasses freedom of speech yet encourage politics enthusists to engage in a responsible and fair environment.

1. Purge all forums/websites from debating on political issue; alternatively is to issue permits to sites that engaged in politics debate. Failure to comply is chargable offence under law.

2. Each political party are free to have their one and only discussion website. Any discussion are strictly to be confined within, and no soliciting allow except on one's website. Open to general public.

3. To facilitate responsible and contructive comments, public may need to register to use any party's forum service.

4. Law still apply for user of these forums.

The key aspect of the four core points are to ensure that the general public are not swayed by unverfied comment or one person propaganda and embroil in a political turmoil, social chaos, civil unrest and hence disrupting peace, stability, trade and investment.
The only minus point for this proposal is that one's freedom of speech has been restricted but it main concern dealt only with the politics issue which is not everyone cup of tea and in my humble opinion is tradeable, little inconvenience in return for nation stability and economic values.

Just my 2 Cents... Mr. Green

LazerLordz SG

wrong wrong wrong. We are already the laughing stock on all major websites around the world for this action, please do not destroy our international reputation further. Your suggestion is easily manipulated by a ruling party.

Better to have a marketplace of ideas and free discussion and debate.Never ever try to sanitise politics to make it clean for a few.This is what is wrong with the country over the last 40 years, the depoliticising of Singapore.

Our current laws can take care of racial issues.

Rexdriver SG

PAP should really try to come to terms with the fact that with the advancement of information technology, communications and globalisation, they might now have to fight opposing voices on the merits rather than with a gag.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by pisces8:

Original post by Atobe:
Is it " that difficult to 'police' (prosecute) " anyone using the internet that contravene existing laws ?

Have you so quickly forgotten the prosecution of the TWO Singaporean Bloggers for their racist remarks on the internet towards the Singaporean Minority Community ?

Please note that I am referring to the fact that I have not known of people being prosecuted (successfully) under Election Advertising Rules 2001.

The few Bloggers were charge and some convicted under different law Sedition Act.

They are different issue. I will not mix them up.

The fact that the two Bloggers were prosecuted under the Sedition Act for posting on the net, already confirm that no one is safe from the Singapore Government aka the Ruling Political Party, even when posting in the free world-wide web.

With a specific Law that target Singapore commentators in the Web during the Election Period, it merely confirms that the Ruling Political Party continue to insist on its MONOPOLISTIC GRIP on ALL FORMS OF MEDIA that allow anyone a WIDE AND UNCONTROLLED ACCESS to reach the minds of Singaporeans.

Atobe SG

Can you imagine the same is applied when Election is to be conducted in Australia, European Union, Japan, South Korea, UK, and the USA ?

Even Politics are conducted without such laws being implemented in the neighboring countries of Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand, and Taiwan - and with most of the incumbents being popularly voted into office despite the influence of an OPEN DISCUSSION of a FREE PRESS and an UNBRIDLED FORUM OVER THE INTERNET in these respective countries.

Singapore a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY ?

It is a joke amongst most Singaporeans who knows what a true First World Country is about, but exist as reality in the minds of our Third World Elite Rulers.

SG,LauBaiXing SG

The political chaos in the 50's~60's was really bad! ISA Law is the only solution to prevent trouble making politician to damange our society and construction of our National Democracy for further damages.
The seceret societies in 60's~80's was really harmful to our peoples living, the Unlawful Assembly and Section 55 Law is also another good solution to prevent gangsterism to damage our peoples living peasefully.
But now, all these proven track records of good Law & Order solutions is being use to prevent democracy Referendums.
The only comment that I can give is "DOMINANT RULES & RULING" style had trained our new leaders becoming unreasonable and inconsiderate over issues that the people urging for changes for the betterment of our country.

LazerLordz SG

you've hit the nail on the head.It's a mix of bureaucracy and the inability to possess a different outlook/constrained by a certain influence of political angles in the party that has inhibited the ministers in how they interpret the realities on the ground today.

Lack of empathy and a sensitivity to consequential actions is the hallmark of Singaporean administration today.

SG,LauBaiXing SG

So, Singaporeans must understands that it is the Peoples Country and not the ruling party country !
Please Lah..............................................

BillyBong SG

You're absolutely spot on.

What ticks me off mostly is not the bus driver, but the apathetic response from the rest of the passengers who treat both you and the agrieved passenger transparent.

A common example is the library. Even with widespread signs stating silence and 'no handphones allowed', adults continue blatantly disregard the warnings and leave their cell phones on HIGH RING TONE and TALK AT THE TOP OF THEIR VOICE. To such an extent that community libraries actually have a 'QUIET READING ROOM' designated in the library, an oxymoronic facility.

And this isn't an isolated incident. Imagine telling one such user off and next to you, another idiot's phone rings and the person answers it in plain view. This illustrates how disgusting and nonchalent we are now. Even the inspector assigned to jaga the library sometimes visibly gives up.

TooFree SG

If medieval philosophers are able to come up with the political concept of liberalism, democracy, sociailism away from absolute monarchy, why couldnt Singapore too have its own group of philosophers who visionised a ultopian political system - Ultopism.

All men are borned equal. All nations are governed uniquely. What I seek are Singaporeans to be passionate and brave enough to redefine liberal/democracy system and to create a brand new world, a new nation, a new concept, a new system and a safe haven where we Singaporeans can rightfully call our uniquely home.

Together as one we forge our uniquely identity to the world. Neutral

Atobe SG

The trouble is that 'UTOPIA' is not that far off - if the ideal is shared by more then ONE PERSON.

In an apathic environment such as Singapore, where everyone is merely an onlooker, not even daring to lift their voice to support even LazerLordz in his confrontation with a SMALL TIME BUS DRIVER BULLY - do you think
Singaporeans will have to courage to stand-up against anyone bigger ?

Why do you need to continue to "seek for Singaporeans to be passionate and brave enough to redefine liberal/democracy system, and to creat a brand new world, a new nation, a new concept, a new system and a safe haven where we Singaporeans can rightfully call our uniquely home " ?

Can you support Dr Chee Soon Juan ?

He seems to be spitting into a very strong wind, and it is blown back with gale force wind onto himself.

He is attempting what all of us are merely wishing we have the same resolve and temetery to challenge the POWER OF ONE - except that we seem to have MORE TO SACRIFICE than the good doctor.

Yet, CSJ seems to draw more contempt then support for all his efforts in pursuing his "UTOPIA" - without any empathy but cynical contempt.

If we cannot support ONE who dare to do what we are unable to do, why bother to search for anyone who will share in the same "UTOPIAN IDEAL" ?

Ideals are like stars: you will not succeed in touching them with your hands, but like the seafaring man on the desert of waters, you choose them as your guides, and following them you reach your destiny.
Carl Schurz

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.
Ambrose Redmoon

Dare to do things worthy of imprisonment if you mean to be of consequence.
Juvenal (Decimus Junius Juvenalis)

Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny.
Edmund Burke

Laws control the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one.
Chinese Proverb

Men fight for freedom, then they begin to accumulate laws to take it away from themselves.
Author Unknown

The more corrupt the republic, the more numerous the laws.
Tacitus, Annals

You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality.
Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it.
Malcolm X

headset SG

Look, the reason why forums here have more active participation then the ones ot side of cyberspace is simple. Its because online every one can bea heared. there is freedom of speech and oppinion in a sense as opposed to the overly regulated public forums.

Its important to understand, that political views and debate is the right of every citizen in a democracy. Now even if these attacks on the goverment are of no truth, it is not the right of a democratically elected government to silence them with the full force of the law. They should defend themselves in a fair arena of debate.

You talk of distortion of truth. Does that mean u accept the ruling part's truth as the actual truth. We as citizens have a right to decide what truths we wanna believe in. It ur freedom of oppinion that is at the core of the idea of democracy.

Its important that we have available to us a gamut of ideas. Only then can we choose the one that fits us best.

To be told what to think seems really communist/authoratarian/dictatorish/monarchish.

I say we tell the goverment waht to do.. and not the other way around.

is it not irrelevent to have a party in power for so long?

Restructureing is needed. Since they like forign diverse talent soo much, how come parliment has no diversity of oppinion in the for of an opposition.

With larger opposition numbers in parliment i bet we, the common man will have a larger voice. Lets even up the odds

headset SG

Originally posted by BillyBong:
In response to Low Thia Khiang's question on the use of new technologies in parliament, Dr Balaji Sadasivan stated clearly that the use of PODCASTING is prohibited during elections.

Below is an section of his statements to round off the discussion:

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It looks like not only do the ruling party want to use the internet for publicity purposes, they want a blanket monopoly on it too.

It's like building a public highway only for ministers and party members to drive on.

Doesn't he realise that the local political atmosphere coupled with the obscure OB markers have made open debate virtually impossible without fear of defamation suits?

Responsible and objective arguments? Bullocks. As if they can even accept objective criticisms from the public....

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I think it pretty darn clear form that statement from Balaji that they fear the man that cannot be seen. Only cuz they cant sue the hell out him and sinlence him.

Fear and Tyrany under a msak of Progress packages.... waht bull crap...

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